Skip to content

Russian women kissing after relay victory at World Championships causes stir

Aug 18, 2013, 10:39 PM EDT

Tatyana Firova, Kseniya Ryzhova Getty Images

A photo of two members of the Russian women’s 4×400-meter relay team kissing after receiving their gold medals made headlines on the final day of the World Track and Field Championships.

The kiss was looked at by some as a protest to Russia’s law banning the “propagandizing” of “nontraditional sexual relations toward minors.”

Unidentified Russian track team sources denied that it was, according to Sky News.

Sources in the Russian camp claimed Kseniya Ryzhova and Tatyana Firova – who had just won gold in the 4×400 metres relay – were just exchanging a congratulatory kiss and there was no political message involved.

Firova and Ryzhova’s kiss on the podium wasn’t their first that day. They also kissed on the track after the victory, as shown in the photo on the right.

It also wasn’t the only kiss by Russians on the podium. Pretty much the entire four-woman team exchanged pecks, as you can see in this video.

source: Getty Images

Getty Images

Other athletes made definitive statements about the Russian law at the World Championships, from American Nick Symmonds dedicating his silver medal in the 800 meters to his gay and lesbian friends to Russia’s most famous track and field star, Yelena Isinbayeva, who was reported making comments supporting the law in English. A day later, she said her comments were misunderstood in translation.

Then there are the two Swedish athletes who painted their nails in rainbow colors. Sweden was told by the IAAF, track and field’s international governing body, that it broke rules as a “political statement.” The athlete who competed after the IAAF response, high jumper Emma Green Tregaro, switched her nails to red Saturday.

Russian sports minister Vitaly Mutko, who has said the law will be enforced at the Sochi Olympics in February, said Sunday the law won’t infringe on the private lives of those at the Olympics.

“I can say once again that the freedoms of Russian and foreign athletes and guests who come to Sochi will be absolutely protected,” he said, according to The Associated Press. “In my view, Western media, media outside Russia, give more attention to this than we do in Russia.

“We want to protect our children whose psyches have not formed from the propaganda of drug use, drunkenness and non-traditional sexual relations,” he said, according to the AP.

Usain Bolt wins third gold, dances barefoot

  1. cutelittleguy02 - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    How s about heterosexual people who harassed children?

    • leothelyon - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:29 AM

      They likely do so more than homosexuals/pedophiles due to the fact they make up 98.5% of the world population.

    • t1oracle - Aug 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM

      You mean pedosexual, as in the sexual orientation of people who are attracted to children.

    • needgolflessons - Aug 19, 2013 at 11:08 PM

      Leviticus 18:22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act.

      I Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, 6:10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 6:11 Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

      This is pretty clear. It IS a sin.

      I would rather live my life believing in God, then die and find out he doesn’t exist, than live my life believing there is no God and die only to find out he’s real!

      • frankwmcarr - Aug 19, 2013 at 11:58 PM

        About 1 Cor 6:9-11:
        There is a slight flaw in your interpretation. This shows a progression from unrighteousness to righteousness, in that you can expect change in a gay or lesbian person once they come to know Christ. So you can expect them, with God’s grace, to drop their lifestyle and become straight. But it is God’s work, so we can’t force it on them.

  2. jucam1 - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    Some day, I hope in the next 10-30 years, we are going to look back at Russia’s level of ignorance and stupidity and be embarrassed that we allowed this country to host the Olympics….. No Body should care and more importantly, No body should be treated like this because they were born the way they were meant to be born….

  3. leothelyon - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    And if a child were raised by a pack of hyenas, that child would learn to lick his ass. Homosexuality is a sin God abhors. Kudos to Russia for knowing right from wrong!

    • richardgriffiths777646005 - Aug 19, 2013 at 3:37 AM

      If homosexuality is a sin God abhors, why are there over 1,500 species of animals, in addition to humans, that practice homosexulaity? Look it up on google, if you doubt this. Many animals species, from primates to worms, practice homosexuality. So how could God abhor homosexuality? Surely you believe God created the animals? Therefore God must approve of homosexuality, since God must have made the animals the way they are. Consequently, despite what some holy books may say, it is evident that God has no problem with homosexuality whatsoever.

      • pianomannn - Aug 19, 2013 at 4:06 AM

        richardgriffiths777646005 –
        You’re logic is completely flawed! You believe that humans were created to do everything that animals do? And that if God created animals with certain instincts, he approves of these behaviors in humans? Well then, you would have no problem with people killing and eating each other, would you? Animals do it. In fact, many animals eat their own children. Clearly your belief is that these things are fine by God because he made animals that way!
        Obviously humans were created with higher standard. We have self-control and self restraint. Many of our instincts predispose us to immoral behaviors, but we were created with the capacity to overcome those urges. That is what God expects from us, and that is what defines morality.

      • bjpup - Aug 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM

        Your syllogism is based on an assumed fact and therefore comes to the wrong conclusion.

        humans = animals is flawed.

      • elmo5159 - Aug 19, 2013 at 8:43 AM

        pianomannn, humans ARE animals — we share more than 90% of our DNA with apes. And what “God created” or “abhors” is irrelevant, since everyone does not believe in God, or your book of fairy tales.

      • needgolflessons - Aug 19, 2013 at 11:10 PM

        Leviticus 18:22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act.

        I Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, 6:10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 6:11 Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

        This is pretty clear. It IS a sin.

        I would rather live my life believing in God, then die and find out he doesn’t exist, than live my life believing there is no God and die only to find out he’s real!

    • it's all bs - Aug 19, 2013 at 6:50 AM

      Um what?? Homosexuality is considered a normal part of human sexuality by the following professional mental health associations: The American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the American Counseling Association, the Canadian Psychological Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the World Health Organization, American Medical Association, Royal College of Psychiatrists, and Australian Psychological Society.

      Now please tell us ur qualifications so we can compare/contrast why ur opinion should even count in the discussion…..thanks!!

      And BTW what you think YOUR bible says is YOUR business and no one else’s:)

      • frankwmcarr - Aug 19, 2013 at 8:38 AM

        “And BTW what you think YOUR bible says is YOUR business and no one else’s:)”

        The Bible is the Bible, no matter what translation or version you hold. The truth remains no matter what. While I’m a little less stuffy about gays/lesbians as I used to be, it is still a sin, and if one joins a Christian church they should be willing to gradually lay their sin down thanks to God’s grace. But, it will still be between the gay or lesbian and God to actually make the change. And yes, it most certainly is other’s business since we are supposed to SHARE the truth of the Gospel with others. And of course, pray for gay people to see this truth.

      • mogogo1 - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

        Problem is what “truth” are you deciding to stand up for today. Within a few pages of homosexuality being declared a sin the Bible also makes eating shellfish a sin. Do you regularly protest at Red Lobster?

      • shortstone - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

        “supposed to SHARE the truth of the Gospel with others”

        Yes, share all you like. However, a problem is that believers do not stop at sharing and some do not even stop when asked to stop. Another problem is that they also do not stop at just sharing, they also judge. The biggest problem is them then taking judging to mean that they should actively prevent others who do not believe as they do and trying to create/prevent laws that are based on their beliefs. The US is not a theocracy and we have separation of church and State for a reason. Equality for ALL, not just who believe a certain deity and book.

      • ollakalla96 - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:30 PM

        This is the reason why people who never read the bible shouldn’t quote the bible. God made Men after his image. Not animals. Also if the gay community chooses not to follow the bible then why do they envy the book so much. If I don’t like the color red why would I wear it everyday? I find it hard that people who say don’t follow the bible want what’s in it. Marriage come from the bible. Old Testament or new, it explains why homosexuality is not what GOD wanted! So try to create God to fit your image. Create a religion to fit yours. But it will always be one bible and you can never change that. ENVY is what’s wrong with the gay community. Bible talks about how non believers will want what the believer has too. Basically we have people saying I don’t believe in Jesus but every year they celebrate Christmas! Same toe with marriage. You envy what the act of Marriage is and want it. Not because you believe what marriage stands for and why God wanted Man and women to do the act. Maybe before people comment on the book or people who don’t believe in the book shouldn’t want what’s in the book. What’s Gays are doing is trying to change the bible just like the white people did in the USA to try to say slavery was right. The talks about how Moses freed his people and it also show how Jesus showed the Jews who believed in him became into Christ. Until you get that never quote a book you don’t even follow.

      • apexadam - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:30 PM

        Have you ever read how these “Society’s” came to these same conclusions and the history behind it? Freedom dictates choices of behavior, and while there have been some failed attempts, there is zero scientific evidence for homosexuality. However, same sex attraction can be verified since it is subjective. In the same manner there is no scientific evidence for the differences or congruence between Male homosexuality, Female Lesbianism, Bi-Sexuality, and Transgendered experiences. Most research defines it as a feeling that in some cases, when the cultural environment encourages it, becomes a behavioral choice. So really, behavioral choices are subject to worldview. The most popular worldview in the US is secular humanism. In secular humanism you do what feels good. In that context, it makes sense why positions of faith would be a stark contrast. Most people who post about these matters have spent little time studying the history.

    • mallydad - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:00 PM

      If it is a choice when did YOU choose to be hetero?

      • 2real4real - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

        Bad question here. You can choose to do what ever you want. Do pedophiles “choose” to be pedosexuals? Maybe we should be more understanding to that. When do alcoholics choose to be alcoholics? They can just not drink right? The fact is that as far as behavior goes you DO NOT have to do anything that you may want to. This is what the bible is about. I am not religious but all these things are temptation. You do not have to do ANYTHING sexual at all. If you want to do something deviant go do something else positive. Join the Peace Corps or go on a Habitat build. Do not have sex at all. People do not realize this but just because it makes you feel good for the moment you do not have to do it.

      • apexadam - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:41 PM

        A friend of mine had a predilection and arguably a chemical disposition for alcoholism since his Dad, his Dad’s dad, and the generations before him were driven to drink. For most of his life he chose not to drink and seemed better for it. But in his mid-forties he thought it was time to get a little taste of the action. He hasn’t returned to sobriety since and will die in his behavioral choice, onset by his chemical predilection. Should I have encouraged him to drink earlier? Perhaps Male.HS is simply about true love? Why would true love, or “do no harm clauses for medical practitioners” include increasing the probability of death and physical illness by 20 or more years (and no I am not talking about immune diseases). Seems counter productive.

    • tesmith47 - Sep 29, 2014 at 12:48 AM

      screww you and your imaginary god too

  4. groovesoop - Aug 19, 2013 at 7:06 AM

    That is 100% normal in this part of the world. Girls who are friends and nothing more even walk hand in hand usually. Tradition among very close friends or family is for 3 pecks, alternating cheeks. Usually one or two for people you know and a handshake (or man kissing the hand of a girl) if meeting opposite sexes for the first time. There’s a molehill jealous somewhere right now.

    • tenthlevelprophet - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:43 AM

      “Virgin” Mary was 14 when she gave birth to Jesus, does that mean we should let every 14 year old have kids?? Or what about Ruth? Or the Story of Lott?? My point being taking the Bible too literally is a mistake, or at best in some circumstances illegal!

      • ollakalla96 - Aug 20, 2013 at 12:45 AM

        God turned two cities into Salt in the book of Lott. And do you even understand why God chose Mary to be the Mother of Jesus? Better yet why God also knew Joseph would be the father of a child he didnt conceive with his wife? Understand what you are reading! Anybody and takes quotes and without explaining the whole story. Read the whole book of Matthews! Maybe u realize why Mary had a baby at 14 as a virgin! Hint it was Jesus first miricle to this world.

      • tenthlevelprophet - Sep 2, 2013 at 10:58 AM


        actually I do read the Bible, I’ve read all 63 books several times, I’m working on the heretical works now. Yet I don’t get your point!
        AFTER God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and turned Lott’s WIFE to salt he allowed Lott to repopulate Israelites by having his daughters get pregnant by Lott! Ruth was a child She was encouraged to prostitute herself again for the good of the race, Mary was chosen because both her and Joseph were direct descendants of …you guested it , King David, Lott, and Ruth. So yes Please if you are going to quote the Bible DO, Please know what YOU are talking about.

    • shortstone - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

      Uh Huh. Take another look at that photo. Women (and men) who are just friends do not hold the neck like that for a friendly kiss. That is intimate.

      • davcup1 - Jul 19, 2014 at 10:39 PM

        Yes, But why does it turn me ON?

  5. arcticbonfire - Aug 19, 2013 at 7:18 AM

    “homosexuality is a sin God abhors”

    Why do Christians ignore all the commandments in the Five books of Moses but this one?

    Didn’t Christians use the bible to justify slavery, torture, and burning witches at the stake?

    Didn’t Christians use the bible to prove the sun revolves around the Earth, and threatened Galileo Galilei with torture?

    Weren’t Medieval torture devices invented by Christians to torture heretics?

    Didn’t Christians exterminate and commit genocide against peace loving Christians like the Cathars who condoned homosexuality. The only reason today’s Christians condemn homosexuality is they murdered and exterminated any Christian with a different view of Christianity than their own.

    Didn’t Christians use the bible to justify burning Joan of Arc at the stake?

    Didn’t Christians convert the indigenous people of the world by threatening to run them through with the sword if they didn’t convert?

    Are we talking about the same bible where God commands the Jews to kill every man, woman, child, and animal of their enemies?

    Didn’t Christians use the bible to justify lynching blacks, the Spanish Inquisition, and exiling Jews from most countries?

    Don’t Christians condone the torture of heretics to get them to convert? No Pope ever renounced torturing heretics after one Pope sanctioned it.

    Is there any difference between fundamentalist Christians like the Puritans, and the fundamentalist, fanatical Muslims like the Taliban?

    Didn’t Christians force women adulterers to wear a Scarlet letter? Didn’t they force Jews to wear a yellow Star of David?

    Christians are still engaging in witch hunts.

    • frankwmcarr - Aug 19, 2013 at 8:42 AM

      It’s also in books like Romans and 1st Corinthians, both NT books.

      • jhct - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:30 AM

        Why is that EVERYONE has to comply with YOUR Bible?

        I believe in a God, but I do not subscribe to any particular religion. And unlike your God, who (according to the ramblings of closed-minded Christian) loves ONLY straight people, MY God loves everyone. MY God is open and welcoming.

        MY God created EVERYONE in His own image.

        MY God is a God of love.

        Your Bible was not written by God. It was written by MEN.

      • it's all bs - Aug 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM


        And the disciples were man, and man is fallible. Man takes what he hears and applies it to his own beliefs, choosing what he will and will not believe, what he wants to hear and leaving out what he doesn’t.

        The ‘Bible’ itself is a compendium of about 8000 ancient stories, manuscripts, and oral traditions. The Council of Nicaea sorted through all of it, picked out what they liked and what made sense, put the stuff they picked out together into a book and called it the Word of God, which is far from complete.

        The Bible has been translated and re-translated so many times that I really don’t think anyone knows what it originally looked like. As well, as the original manuscripts to the Bible were not in English, some of the meanings of the words, subtle nuances to terminology and changes to syntax and grammar can change the sentence entirely. And so I don’t think that anyone can conclusively point to their bible and say ‘this is God’s word exactly’, and that includes the knowledge that the Vatican sits on a bunch of unreleased manuscripts called the ‘forbidden books’. Why are they forbidden if they are the Word of God?

        Anyway I guess we’ll all find out one day if god exists…..In the meantime, debating the subject is just mental masturbation……This article isn’t about the existence of “god,” anyway……In any event, if there is a “god”,…..I’m sure it’s nothing like how the Christians or Muslims, or whatever religion, make it out to be…..

      • tenthlevelprophet - Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM

        All you seem to mistake The Church, any church, synagogue, mosque, with what the bible stands for! the Old testament was the basis of several religions, the ten commandments are a “Constitution” – an over riding set of principles which supersede any other law implied.

        People mistake the ancient world as being backward – it wasn’t it was as modern and as metropolitan as any current city, they simply didn’t have the luxury we have now (electricity, metallurgy, industry). The Romans had Gods for everything including lesbianism, and Homosexuality, it was a normal part of their lives.

        When Christianity started the Christians were hunted and killed regularly by those same people, do you really expect Christianity to now accept the murderers of Christians?

        Personally I think we should all love and live as we choose. If you don’t like what a religion says – create your own – but don’t demand entry into a religion that your group tried to drive to extinction.

  6. arcticbonfire - Aug 19, 2013 at 7:21 AM


    1 – Reason Not Superstition

    2 – Ethics Not Dogma

    3 – Respect Not Workship

    4 – Courage Not Fear

    5 – Fact Not Myth

    6 – Morality Not Religion

    7 – Clarity Not Delusion

    8 – Good Not God

    9 – Skeptic Not Cynic

    10 – Rationality Not Ideology

    My religion :
    Being Good For Some Cosmic Payoff Is Immoral
    It is not different than anyone who serves arbitrary, capricious, all powerful king to gain reward, and avoid punishment. The Christian God is not much different than kings of yore who demanded slavish devotion, who rewarded those loyal to them, and tortured those who crossed them. Notice any resemblance between the Christian God and Santa Claus? Notice that the letters for Santa, also spell Satan. Just be good for the sake of being good, not to get into Heaven or live forever in some afterlife.e

    • t1oracle - Aug 19, 2013 at 8:36 AM

      You are quite far off the mark. For one, there can be no “secular creed” unless you are forming that as your personal religion. Furthermore, you completely miss the message of Christianity. Lastly, “being good” simply is not enough.

      Matthew 22:36-40
      “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
      Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

      For true salvation you must do more than “be good,” you must love.

      • jhct - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:41 AM

        ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’?

        Many “Christians” bypass that one completely.

      • cr0we - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM

        According to the Pope… just “being good” actually IS enough.

      • tesmith47 - Sep 29, 2014 at 12:50 AM

        nice sentiment but there is no god , of any sort!!!!!

  7. jude1963 - Aug 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    To all of you religious nuts: why is it that whenever you agree with what “God” created, you justify as Intelligent Design (forget evolution). Oh, look at that beautiful butterfly – it was God’s will to create such beauty!

    But when it comes to something you don’t like, it’s an abomination! Those homosexuals, it just isn’t natural! Well you can’t cherry pick what your God has created. It’s an all-or-nothing proposition. He either made all of it (even the ugly) or He did not.

    However, if you’d like to live in a society as morally backwards as Russia, feel free…

  8. savage1701 - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    “It also wasn’t the only kiss by Russians on the podium. Pretty much the entire four-woman team exchanged pecks,”

    Then why is it news? “Pecks” are not controversial. Typical NBC junk reporting. Attempt to create any controversy wherever they can. Who cares.

    • jude1963 - Aug 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM

      uh, Savage – have you heard what’s going on over there? Human rights are being suppressed.

      Check out this link if you don’t think a single gesture can resonate:

      What Tommie Smith and John Carlos was an act of courage, and they paid for it. Politics and sports have gone hand-in-hand for a long time – Jesse Owens, 1936 anyone? The US boycott of the Moscow Olympics?

      If you think this is junk reporting, you are ignorant of history and should maybe visit a site more to your liking.

  9. 2real4real - Aug 19, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    What other sexual deviation should we insist on while we visit another country? Americans have this attitude that the way we do it is the best. What if a country were to come here and insist we change our laws on behavior like abortion or policies on welfare for the poor? Why is homosexuality the exceptioin. Your sexual preference is not a race or ethnicity and is clearly behavior, something we legislate like everybody else. Men who want sex from children is a naturally occurring preference, how is this different from homosexuality? Men sleeping with boys sounds crazy but give it time. 20 years ago men marrying men was ridiculous.

    Let Russia be

    • it's all bs - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

      It’s 2013 not 1973….I guess u don’t know that Pedophilia is illegal and is a form of sexual deviancy….while homosexuality and heterosexuality are sexual orientations….one has nothing to do with the other…and what does any of this have to do with the article anyway….oh wait….NOTHING!!!

      • elmo5159 - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        Actually, it’s all bs, pedophilia itself is not illegal, but child molestation (which is often a result of pedophilia) is.

        Furthermore, approximately 90% of all pedophiles/child molesters are heterosexual, married men.

      • 2real4real - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:20 PM

        Gay marriage is illegal in some states in the US. Most actually. It is unclear what the DOMA ruling will do to this. Due to social dogma it is not “deviant” behavior by the estimation of some western organizations, this does not apply to RUSSIA apparently. So in Russia it IS is “deviant” behavior. It is illegal and yes all this does apply to this article for these reasons. Quit being an American that applies everything to our standards for one second.

    • jude1963 - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM


      Should we have let Germany be back in WWII? They were just expressing their beliefs, right?

      • 2real4real - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

        Social intolerance to Race and Ethnicity are a different ball game and go directly in the face of international competition. Legislating sexual behavior is something done in every country. Just because we now accept something much of the world sees as wrong does not mean we are right.

    • world9000 - Aug 19, 2013 at 3:06 PM

      Pedophilia = hurting and abusing minors who cannot consent. Therefore ILLEGAL!!!

      Sex between consenting adults whatever their preference is a totally different issue.

      Sexual orientation is a characteristic you were born with. You cannot teach it or unlearn it. Just like the IGNORANCE of some people.

      to all the pseudo Christians:
      Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

      Ask yourself, is all your hate-mongering and judging other people because they have a different sexual orientation inline with Christ’s commandment?

      • 2real4real - Aug 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM

        First of all you can change the age of “consent” to what ever you want. Never mind pedosexuals how about Polygamist. They don’t have rights here. They do not get benefits, they are consenting adults. What about them. What if a visiting nation with a lower “consent” law chanllenges what we believe at our own olympics. What if they challenge abortion laws or gun laws?

        Being gay is behavior, not ethnicity not belief and not race. You do not have to do anything that is associated with sex whether you want to or not. You can not have sex at all. Civil liberties should be there for those who are gay but do not expect another nation to do what america does just because of our rude insistance.

  10. jude1963 - Aug 19, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    Wrong again 2 real.

    First of all, no one is legislating sexual behavior. Gays and lesbians have been with us throughout human history. What is being legislated is the civil liberties extended to them – you know, like the ones you have.

    The comparison to WWII Germany is appropriate for their suppression and intolerance of a race (and homosexuals, by the way) that was not their choice, just who they were. If you think we should ignore these things in this and other countries, where do you draw the line? When they come for you?

    And where exactly do you get the statistics that most of the world thinks homosexuality is wrong? Or is it just your world?

  11. 2real4real - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    The comparison to WWII Germany is totally appropriate. Hhomosexual behavior does not have to be accepted as a non deviant form of social behavior and like other forms of deviant behavior it can be outlawed or dealt with as the governing body sees fit. Other sexual preferences seen as deviant by other countries are dealt with this way. In fact we do it. Civil Liberties is a broad idea that goes to the beliefs of the people. We for example cannot walk around naked no matter how much of a freedom we think it should be. Mandating clothes is done regularly and obviously not contested by anyone. I am not against “civial liberties” for homosexuals in america, just the idea we can forcefully apply that thinking to other nations who see this as deviant behavior.

    Russia is totally right to stand behind their own beliefs on this matter. Something we may have to do one day.

    • jude1963 - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM

      what other countries see as “deviant” behavior, we may see as atrocities. My point, for the last time: where do you draw the line in letting a country do as it wishes? Obviously even within Russia, there are many against these new laws against homosexuality. It is being enforced and implemented not by the many, but the few. Have you seen Russia? – not exactly the heart of Democracy.

      Do you think it’s right for them to throw people in jail based on their sexual preference? Or for saying what they wish in public? If you’re fine with a country doing such things to its people, then further conversation is pointless.

      • 2real4real - Aug 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM

        If you think Russia is unjust in being Communist nation why protest this one issue? Why not attack the bigger issue of Communism? Sure it is not a den of equality as we see it but it is in fact a sovreign country with its own rules. We frown upon Polygamy and sex with minors while other countries embrace these things. The whole point is we as Americans do not need to “draw” the line anywhere but here. As americans we legalize abortion and gun laws that kill over ten thousand of our own people each year. Other countries may see these things as “atrocities”. Who the hell are they to judge us?

        Let Russia be.

  12. blackbug99 - Aug 19, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    It almost amazes me that Christians can’t see how their zealousness over their one true god and Muslim extremist terrorism based on their “Koran” is one and the same. Until the real deity gets a reality show and explains him/her or it…self, I’m just gonna try to be a nice, tolerant human being.

    • needgolflessons - Aug 19, 2013 at 11:13 PM

      Leviticus 18:22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act.

      I Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, 6:10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 6:11 Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

      This is pretty clear. It IS a sin.

      I would rather live my life believing in God, then die and find out he doesn’t exist, than live my life believing there is no God and die only to find out he’s real!

      • tesmith47 - Sep 29, 2014 at 12:56 AM

        silly duck there is no god, just your imaginary “friend” who only looks out for people like you; everybody else in the world gets beat and abused by “white” people

  13. parker90 - Aug 19, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Rape, murder, suicide, genocide, famine, sexual abuse, child abuse, racism, disease, and on and on and on. There are so many things to rage against. Two women kissing? Are you kidding? They weren’t having sex, they were kissing. Why are some people so afraid of that? If you want to “imagine them having sex” that is strictly up to you. I see it as a sweet gesture between two people who have worked very hard to achieve a goal and have done that. If they are homosexual and went home and had sex together that is their business. If they are not homosexual and did not go home and have sex together, that is their business too. I don’t see how either one of those options could possibly matter to anyone else. If an individual or and entire country thinks they can change the sexual orientation of another they are raging against the wind, it’ll get by you every time.

    • 2real4real - Aug 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

      This is a non issue. I remember back in the 70s when the Russian basketball team beat USA in a controversial game where three baskets were waived off until Russia finally was given the victory. In plain sight two male Russian ball players kissed deeply in the mouth. (check it out) and nothing was said then. It is just a cultural difference. This is a non story and just a ploy by the liberal media to make something out of nothing. Note this was printed even though the actual athletes immediately said this was just a kiss of cograts.

  14. jimeejohnson - Sep 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    They might really be French. You know how the kiss for just about any reason.

    • jimeejohnson - Sep 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM

      Just noticed my comment is a month late!

    • fpstratton - Apr 14, 2014 at 6:45 PM

      Yes, they kiss for just about any reason. That’s probably why they’re so happy.

  15. jollyjoker2 - Aug 23, 2014 at 11:47 PM

    now a kiss is bad …thankfully no muff diving.

Leave Comment

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!